Survival - THE FISHING ECONOMY IS DROWNING

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Title THE FISHING ECONOMY IS DROWNING

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Fellow players,

Fishing used to be one of the most rewarding and engaging parts of the server. Tournaments were competitive, the economy was thriving, and events like last year's Crabmas brought the community together in a way no other activity could.
This year's Crabmas event was shaping up to be even bigger - a chance to celebrate, compete, and fish together. But now? The waters are empty.
Why? Because AFK minions have ruined it all.

What's Gone Wrong?

♦Tournaments are broken: Minions are pulling in hundreds of fish in minutes, leaving manual fishers - those who put in real effort - with no chance to compete.
♦The market is in chaos: Platinum and mythic fish are flooding the economy, destroying their value and making the hard work of fishing feel meaningless.
♦Fishing totems are useless: Minions are farming plats and mythics to upgrade fishing totems, but here's the irony - totems were meant to help manual fishers, and now fishing itself has no purpose.
♦Crabmas is dying: Last year's event brought the community together like never before. But with no one fishing this year, Crabmas risks becoming just another forgotten feature.

Here's the truth: Minions shouldn't catch anything above bronze tier fish.
Fish spawners are balanced because they only produce bronze fish. Minions were supposed to provide a passive, low-tier option - not completely outclass manual fishing by handing out platinum and mythic fish like candy.

How We Fix This:

1. Buff Manual Fishing: Make fishing rewarding for active players again by:
♦ Increasing catch rates for manual fishing.
♦Add special rewards like titles or cosmetics for top manual players.
♦Buffing Divine Judgement: Extend its duration or increase its effectiveness so players can reliably double their catches.
♦Buffing Combo Catcher: Improve the odds of catching platinums and mythics through manual fishing.

2. Fix Tournaments: Exclude minions entirely or severely cap their contributions so that active players can compete on a level playing field.

3. Restrict Minions to Bronze Fish Only: Just like fish spawners, minions should only be able to farm bronze-tier fish. This keeps them balanced as a passive income option while preserving the value of manual fishing for higher-tier catches.

Why This Matters:

Last year's Crabmas event was a huge success that brought players together, and this year's event was set to be even bigger. Fishing wasn't just about rewards - it was about fun, strategy, and community.
Now, the waters are empty. And the joy of fishing is gone. If we don't act now, we risk losing everything that made fishing great - and Crabmas along with it.

If you agree, let your voice be heard:

♦React to this post!
♦Share your thoughts and frustrations in the comments!
♦Let's show the admins we care about fixing fishing before it's too late.

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Positive Outcomes:

1. Revitalized Manual Fishing:
♦ Higher catch rates and skill buffs will make fishing more engaging and rewarding for active players.
♦Manual players will feel more motivated to participate in tournaments and events like Crabmas.

2. Restored Market Balance:
♦ Limiting minions to bronze-tier fish will slow the flood of platinums and mythics, stabilizing prices and restoring value to the fishing economy.
♦ Buffs to manual fishing will give players a reason to grind higher-tier fish again.

3. Fair Tournaments:
♦ Excluding or limiting minions in tournaments will level the playing field, encouraging more active participation.

4. Community Growth:
♦ A better fishing experience can bring the community back together, especially during events like Crabmas, making the server feel more alive and engaging.

Possible Side Effects:

1. Minion Users May Push Back
♦ Players who heavily invested in minions might feel the changes make their setups less valuable.
♦ Restricting minions to bronze-tier fish could create complaints from those who rely on them for income.

How to Mitigate:
♦ Emphasize that minions still provide a valuable passive option for beginners and casual players (just not at the expense of manual effort).
♦ Highlight that these changes are necessary to restore fairness and sustainability to the fishing economy.

2. Short-Term Market Adjustments
♦ Limiting minions could reduce the supply of platinums and mythics, temporarily spiking prices.
♦ Manual players may take time to fill the supply gap.

How to Mitigate:
♦ This isn't necessarily a bad thing! Higher prices could actually reward manual fishers more and encourage participation.

3. Potential Power Imbalance Between New and Veteran Players
♦ Buffing manual fishing could widen the gap between high-level players and beginners who haven't yet developed skills or upgraded totems.

How to Mitigate:
♦ Add low-skill catch rate buffs to ensure new players aren't left behind.
♦ Ensure minions remain a viable option for casual or low-level players to farm bronze fish passively.
 
I agree fully. this was a big hit for us who enyoed signing in and pulling out are rods to go fish.
now their is no rewwards left for time spent fishing.
 
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Some ppl dont get the point, We like to earn money,Entropy,fish, plat, mythic, all manually, we dont need minions that can fish plat/mythic fish per 5mins, as fisherman’s all we want is a manually fishing, we have spent thousands or millions of money to buy augments, if plat/mythic fish is that ez to get, we all fisherman’s want a refund then, all those years of hard work just to see some 5,6 minions to get more plat fish than e max fishing rod? Ik that the server is a p2w but dont go on and ruin the economy of fishing, as sumothashi said, all we need is a fishing minion to get bronze fish, im 100% sure that all the fishermen dont got a problem to get only bronze fish from their minions, and those who will cry about it when their fishing minion gets bronze fish only, they’re just some try hards who only care about money, all we want from this community is to remove silver/gold/Diamond/plat/mythic rank from the fishing minions.
 
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I think bronze silver and gold should stay so there is still some value in investing in minions for farming entropy. But I would be fine with diamond/plat/mythic being removed.
 
i 100% agree with Sumothashi and Geti, i dont care about get bronze fishes with the minions, with this now fisher minions are not useless, and its most satisfying fishing a special fish manually instead of waiting to see if the minions got or not
 
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Fishing minions have no effect on on tournaments afaik
Thanks for clarifying that minions don't count in tournaments anymore! That helps, but the bigger issue is how minions are flooding the market with platinums and mythics, making manual fishing feel pointless.

This has led to fewer players participating in tournaments and events like Crabmas, which used to be a huge success.

Simple tweaks like buffing manual fishing skills and limiting minions to bronze-tier fish could fix this and bring back the fun. What do you think?
 
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Thanks for clarifying that minions don't count in tournaments anymore! That helps, but the bigger issue is how minions are flooding the market with platinums and mythics, making manual fishing feel pointless.

This has led to fewer players participating in tournaments and events like Crabmas, which used to be a huge success.

Simple tweaks like buffing manual fishing skills and limiting minions to bronze-tier fish could fix this and bring back the fun. What do you think?
We are working on a fix to prevent them from getting plat/mythics, will get added soonTM!
 
I agree to this maxed out fishing rods are worth nothing now. and added to that why should we fish if fishers are more effective and we can do that while afk instead of while fishing. we dont even need maxed rods no more since the fishers fish platinum and mytic fishies to. only reason to fish is during special fish events like the crabmas. I suggest to make mytic and platinum fishies no longer able to get from the fisher minions that way you got a reason to fish again. and if possible less entropy from fishers since its killing the fishing economy so much. from buying mytich fish at 2.5m to selling them at around 250k from selling entropy at 75/100k to 7.5k for each crystal this has to stop. and on top of that some kind of role back for all the fishies already there. and entropy to since tibsfox told me he owns 15m entropy already that would normaly take a long time now it was less then a week of afk. you cant just remove it cuz tibsfox worked hard to get all his fishers but it seems unfair to the people fishing we worked hard to obtain maxed fish rods now there are people that can afk for a month and then make a maxed rod. well let it be made for them cuz they probably to low fish level to make it themselves. but please cloakfox make some kind of change to this the fishing economy is beyond runed. one example the maxed fishing rods we could sell them at like 250m and now it wont even sell for 100m.
 
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So we saw that the fishing minions lost sumothashi 400M+, and now other ppl have more than 30M entropy, by now i dont see any problem with using a rollback again, all we need is the fish economy that we had 3-4days ago.
 
Gamemode
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Title THE FISHING ECONOMY IS DROWNING

Description of suggestion
Fellow players,

Fishing used to be one of the most rewarding and engaging parts of the server. Tournaments were competitive, the economy was thriving, and events like last year's Crabmas brought the community together in a way no other activity could.
This year's Crabmas event was shaping up to be even bigger - a chance to celebrate, compete, and fish together. But now? The waters are empty.
Why? Because AFK minions have ruined it all.

What's Gone Wrong?

♦Tournaments are broken: Minions are pulling in hundreds of fish in minutes, leaving manual fishers - those who put in real effort - with no chance to compete.
♦The market is in chaos: Platinum and mythic fish are flooding the economy, destroying their value and making the hard work of fishing feel meaningless.
♦Fishing totems are useless: Minions are farming plats and mythics to upgrade fishing totems, but here's the irony - totems were meant to help manual fishers, and now fishing itself has no purpose.
♦Crabmas is dying: Last year's event brought the community together like never before. But with no one fishing this year, Crabmas risks becoming just another forgotten feature.

Here's the truth: Minions shouldn't catch anything above bronze tier fish.
Fish spawners are balanced because they only produce bronze fish. Minions were supposed to provide a passive, low-tier option - not completely outclass manual fishing by handing out platinum and mythic fish like candy.

How We Fix This:

1. Buff Manual Fishing: Make fishing rewarding for active players again by:
♦ Increasing catch rates for manual fishing.
♦Add special rewards like titles or cosmetics for top manual players.
♦Buffing Divine Judgement: Extend its duration or increase its effectiveness so players can reliably double their catches.
♦Buffing Combo Catcher: Improve the odds of catching platinums and mythics through manual fishing.

2. Fix Tournaments: Exclude minions entirely or severely cap their contributions so that active players can compete on a level playing field.

3. Restrict Minions to Bronze Fish Only: Just like fish spawners, minions should only be able to farm bronze-tier fish. This keeps them balanced as a passive income option while preserving the value of manual fishing for higher-tier catches.

Why This Matters:

Last year's Crabmas event was a huge success that brought players together, and this year's event was set to be even bigger. Fishing wasn't just about rewards - it was about fun, strategy, and community.
Now, the waters are empty. And the joy of fishing is gone. If we don't act now, we risk losing everything that made fishing great - and Crabmas along with it.

If you agree, let your voice be heard:

♦React to this post!
♦Share your thoughts and frustrations in the comments!
♦Let's show the admins we care about fixing fishing before it's too late.

Possible side effects of suggestion
Positive Outcomes:

1. Revitalized Manual Fishing:
♦ Higher catch rates and skill buffs will make fishing more engaging and rewarding for active players.
♦Manual players will feel more motivated to participate in tournaments and events like Crabmas.

2. Restored Market Balance:
♦ Limiting minions to bronze-tier fish will slow the flood of platinums and mythics, stabilizing prices and restoring value to the fishing economy.
♦ Buffs to manual fishing will give players a reason to grind higher-tier fish again.

3. Fair Tournaments:
♦ Excluding or limiting minions in tournaments will level the playing field, encouraging more active participation.

4. Community Growth:
♦ A better fishing experience can bring the community back together, especially during events like Crabmas, making the server feel more alive and engaging.

Possible Side Effects:

1. Minion Users May Push Back
♦ Players who heavily invested in minions might feel the changes make their setups less valuable.
♦ Restricting minions to bronze-tier fish could create complaints from those who rely on them for income.

How to Mitigate:
♦ Emphasize that minions still provide a valuable passive option for beginners and casual players (just not at the expense of manual effort).
♦ Highlight that these changes are necessary to restore fairness and sustainability to the fishing economy.

2. Short-Term Market Adjustments
♦ Limiting minions could reduce the supply of platinums and mythics, temporarily spiking prices.
♦ Manual players may take time to fill the supply gap.

How to Mitigate:
♦ This isn't necessarily a bad thing! Higher prices could actually reward manual fishers more and encourage participation.

3. Potential Power Imbalance Between New and Veteran Players
♦ Buffing manual fishing could widen the gap between high-level players and beginners who haven't yet developed skills or upgraded totems.

How to Mitigate:
♦ Add low-skill catch rate buffs to ensure new players aren't left behind.
♦ Ensure minions remain a viable option for casual or low-level players to farm bronze fish passively.
not gonna lie, I don't really understand it all the much because I don't really use the fishing stuff, I prefer IRL fishing :3

but yeah good luck with this
 
not gonna lie, I don't really understand it all the much because I don't really use the fishing stuff, I prefer IRL fishing :3

but yeah good luck with this
Fair enough, IRL fishing does have its perks! Thanks for the support anyway - this whole thing's just been a mess but hopefully it gets sorted out soon!
 
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I think bronze silver and gold should stay so there is still some value in investing in minions for farming entropy. But I would be fine with diamond/plat/mythic being removed.
I get where you're coming from, but letting minions farm silver and gold still messes with the balance. If minions can only catch bronze (just like spawners which have previously been a staple for entropy), it keeps entropy farming intact and balanced while making manual fishing actually matter for anything above that. Considering the amount of minions you have, without a doubt you would remain the #1 source of entropy on the server with these changes while keeping the fishing economy intact for manual fishing shops like my own to thrive as well.
 
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So we saw that the fishing minions lost sumothashi 400M+, and now other ppl have more than 30M entropy, by now i dont see any problem with using a rollback again, all we need is the fish economy that we had 3-4days ago.
Yea, a rollback might've worked a week ago, but at this point, it's way too late. The market's already been flooded, and rolling back now would just cause more chaos. The focus should be on fixing the root issues.
 
I agree fully. this was a big hit for us who enyoed signing in and pulling out are rods to go fish.
now their is no rewwards left for time spent fishing.
Exactly, that's the most frustrating part. Fishing used to be rewarding and something to look forward to, but now it feels pointless. Minions have completely ruined the balance, and it sucks for anyone who actually enjoyed the grind of manual fishing. Hopefully, they make the changes needed to bring back that sense of reward and purpose.
 
We are working on a fix to prevent them from getting plat/mythics, will get added soonTM!
Appreciate that you're working on a fix, but it's been almost a week since you said this, and the damage to the economy has only gotten worse. The market is so flooded now that even stopping minions from getting plats/mythics won't fix what's already broken. This needed urgency days ago, and at this point, it feels like too little, too late. Is there a plan to address the irreversible damage already done?
 
Thanks for the feedback, we've made two more changes to fishing minions this morning:
  • Fishing minions can no longer catch platinum or mythic fishes
  • Fishing minions will pause custom fish catching if the owner of the minion has been afk for 30+ minutes
 
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